Trump has deported a one-year-old American Citizen. Measles outbreaks are skyrocketing. Elon Musk has up to 30 children by 6-15 women. Is That Pro-Life Enough For You?
Marvelously said! I am blown away. I am pro-choice, pro gay and trans.
And I have stopped going to Church in the past two years.
Debating with my Sisters in the Church became too hard when I became aware that they are 90% Trumpers. The day one Elder likened Trump to Jesus, I walked out.
I bet.. what about the idol thing cuz that sounds a lot like idol worship to me. He causes such discord and and makes hateful peace and violence a daily occurrence. How is that okay with so many people?
Am I missing something? I read her comment and saw she left the church. I don't think I saw anything about her leaving her faith. You can still have a relationship with God without being boxed into a building with a bunch of hypocrites that never truly follow the Bible. I think it's brave to leave if the church is more interested in following a political affiliation rather than WWJD.
Nothing described there was a church that was following politics instead of WWJD. It was describing how she thought Trumpers were insufferable and didn’t like it when an elder made a comparison with Christ and Trump.
No discussion of hypocrites or non-biblical Christians in the congregation. Unless you are telling me there is no way someone can support Trump and be a Christian, which is a pretty lame position to make.
I didn’t hear the sermon. But I’d start with we are all made in the image of God. There are probably plenty of ways to find Christlike characteristics in people.
I’ll assume she exhausted her options of challenging leadership and discussing her problems with that kind of language. She *left the church* over politics. She was serving two masters, the one she loved is the one she still serves.
Abandoning the church is not serving God. Seeking a church community after recognizing the one you were in wasn’t biblical is something else, but that isn’t what is being described here.
If you are a true believer, god is everywhere, not in church. The church is a political institution, the most influential and oldest of all. Very few priests or pastors are really spiritual and not mercantiles. When they talk about politics in church it is clear that their mission is gone.
Trump uses religion to attract exactly those gullible people who think he is a religious man. He is not. Christianity is not about accumulating wealth and imposing your point of view to millions, by lying, and cheating.
To be Christian means to care about the people around you, all of them not just the white ones, to be respectful to their beliefs, generous, understanding, tolerant and charitable.
What this regime is doing is the opposite of Christianity but they claim to be religious, they wear crosses!
They abandon the church because of people like you. Things are not black or white, there are many nuances in-between. We live in 21st century, we cannot have the same ideas and live by what they did 2 thousand years ago. When the people in a community become bigots, it’s time to live it. Trump and his regime are not what Christianity should look like and neither are you. Indoctrinating people is not the Christ’s way.
The Bible warns of church leaders indoctrinating their followers to believe anything other than the teachings of Christ. Thank God the poster read the scriptures for greater understanding and sought God for discernment before leaving your false church.
They still gather and believers and break bread. What are the people going off on their own because they can’t stand being around Christians that don’t reflect their own politics?
You quoted the Word, "By their fruits you shall know them." The Word is full of scriptures warning us about FALSE prophets/teachers/leaders. We are not to follow them. We are told to remove them from our midst. Since she is not the leader of that church, then she was right to remove herself. It is not about politics, it is about the Way, the Truth, and the Life. 1 Corinthians 5:13, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Matthew 18:15-17, 2 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 16:17, Titus 3:10, 1 Corinthians 5:11, 1 Timothy 6:5, Matthew 7:6, Ephesians 5:11, 2 Thessalonians 3:6
I disagree because it isn’t about politics. God doesn’t operate by politics but by morality, humanity, grace and God’s laws. None of the qualities listed are displayed by any member of this administration or GOP.
However, people who have true relationships with God feel the conviction of God to remove themselves from the midst of those choosing to impart false doctrine instead of the teachings of Christ. I don’t believe that any church is better than no church. Church is where you go to have your soul fed with the word of God, learn of the direct guidance within the word as we strive to be more like Jesus. You cannot do that if you denounce His teachings.
Final thoughts: Would you rather be raptured from the “wayward” Trump praising /Jesus-denouncing church or from “Bedside Baptist” while praising, praying, reading God’s word while in true devotion with God and seeking a new church home? What do you think God would have you do?🤔
I'm certain you are thinking for yourself. All of your thoughts and ideas are pure novelties and no way came from authorities you respected and trusted.
I just have a hard time believing it was so strong if a sermon on Trump made you burn your entire relationship with Christ. Surely there must have been other things going on.
For if it was truly just about Trump that made you leave the Church, what was the Church to you? A book club where you kept up with the neighbors and felt good about it?
Why are you judging her relationship to God? Trump makes fun of prisoners of war, takes from the needy to give to the rich, had his disciples storm the capitol, doesn’t pay his workers because they’re illegals so he doesn’t have to, makes fun of
peoples with disabilities. I would have left too. Not counting the adultery and you would sit in a church and go along with the preacher/ minister putting him on a pedestal like an idol? Seems to me the minister brought politics in to the church.
Because she left the faith over an inappropriate comparison to Trump. Not just a church she went to.
I’ve gone to left wing churches that haven’t lined up with my politics my whole life. I’ve only left when I either moved cities or I was told outright denial of scripture (rejecting Paul and Isaiah, for instance).
I’ve always been able to acknowledge the Church will have politics float around, and will tolerate it so long as they are Biblical churches. I honestly find it healthier to be in politically challenging congregations because it requires me to see fellow Christians in the faces of those I would hold animosity for in political circumstances.
Someone that leaving *the faith* because of that is even worse though. It is someone that cannot envision people having different politics than them to the point that they will abandon Christ over it. It doesn’t sound like someone that was following Christ; it sounds like someone that was worshipping their politics and couldn’t break bread with Christian’s that didn’t share their political religion.
Are you saying the only way to have a relationship with Christ is by going to church? "entire relationship"? My God's back doesn't turn on anyone. She didn't say she stopped praying or believing - only that she stopped supporting a congregation that had fundamentally different beliefs than hers.
Abandoning the Church is abandoning the calling that is given to you as a Christian. The Church is Christs instrument on this earth and has been blessed with the Holy Spirit.
You may feel like a particular congregation has fallen away from the faith or has grossly erred where you don’t think you are capable of changing their ways, but abandoning the church altogether is abandoning the Bride of Christ.
You are fanatic religious, not a Christian. People can worship anywhere, and still be Christians, no need for a building or a community of bigots. Some people think more than others, it is called humanistic education and it does not stop with religion.
It's hard to believe that this alleged comment exists solely in the lady's imagination. There's no need to stress about liking Trump or Jesus Christ, as neither of them truly embodies what it means to be a politician.
She left THAT church not God or her beliefs. Big difference.
The church is a building, believing in God has nothing to do with a church. Organized religion was meant to control people and deviated a lot from Christ’s teachings.
If you look at the churches from the 3rd century, Jesus was a pastor, a simple man leading his flock of believers.
After centuries, in 1453 when Agia Sofia was conquered by turks, it depicted Jesus as an emperor, a master to be obeyed, omnipotent.
Far away from the simple pastor leading sheep, because the church was equal with the king or emperor in state power,
thus, they had to represent it as such for the people to obey, to be afraid. The church was a state instrument to control,
a political power at the hands of a few.
Read history, look at art history books and listen to historians, to understand what religion became in time.
Spirituality is something else, it is private, personal, and cannot be controlled by anyone. To live a decent, spiritual life, has no relationship with being religious. It is a choice according to each one’s understanding and education.
Giving me lectures about the evils of the church straight out of 17th century Protestant propaganda is hardly convincing me that you should abandon the church.
Spirituality is not Christianity. “A choice according to each one’s understanding and education” sounds like gnostic heresy to me. You are to be a slave to Christ, if not, you will be a slave to sin.
Christianity is Spirituality. There is no slavery in Christianity, there is no bigotry, nor the idea that if you do not go to church you are a sinner. God is everywhere, no need to meet a group of bigots to find him or believe in him. I am not protestant, catholic or any other cult related. I believe that people must chose how they worship, where, and what, with no restrictions nor obligations.
Christianity is Truth. We find that truth in Scripture and the Church. I haven’t heard any argument you have made being based in either. It is effectively the words of a false teacher. Or did you get gnostic revelation from God that none of this religion or church stuff matters?
I’m quoting Paul in Scripture when I say we are slaves to Christ when he freed us from sin. I also never suggested that going to church doesn’t make you a sinner. I’m saying that a Christian should not divorce themselves from the Church, it is Christ’s Bride in this world to do His works.
You keep projecting “bigotry” onto people to justify hating them. You might want to check yourself on it.
The bible is a metaphor and people taking it literally do not understand it. It is not possible to take literally a text written in another language, dead today, and not interpret it to fit the people’s understanding. That is what a priest does, explain it to believers, and that’s another translation. I do not argue about scriptures nor church, they are both part of culture and they have their place, with a purpose.
But when that purpose has expired and becomes an instrument for indoctrination there is no reason to follow. If people cannot think for themselves and are forced to follow blindly, anything, there is a cult, not what Christianity suppose to be.
Certainly not what Jesus teachings were about, that was the truth, nothing else.
What you do today is an interpretation, a very poor one.
This Simon Sez fellow replies to me six times, then blocks me.
If you didn’t want to talk to me, you could have just said nothing. But after repeating lies and disparaging my faith, you then close your ears to me. Really telling about the kind of person you are.
Not poltics..blasphemy. No human has ever been nor will ever be as wise or clean of mind and spirit as the ascended master Christ Jesus. The abortion issue is misused and over used to divide us. I know the Bible verse used to defend pro-life. No human can live up to God's original image of humanity. Hence, the need for a savior. What we do not need is more human suffering inflicted in His name. Pro choice does not mean you advocate for abortion. It simply means you don't judge or punish unless it is proven to be an act of malice intent. For the most part abortion is a desperate act; much like addiction and suicide. Humans are a long suffering species. More so, as we often turn our backs on the vulnerable. Shame on us.
I don’t want to get in the weeds about it, but murder out of desperation still means you committed murder. Being pro-choice is still pro-abortion.
There is room for being pro-choice and still regarding abortion as evil. But that room involved radical libertarian pacifism where you believe that the state should not enforce any laws.
As far as blasphemy to compare Trump to Christ, maybe. I wouldn’t go that far to regard any Christlike comparisons as an unforgivable blasphemous act, but maybe I don’t know what the full comparison was.
That said, it would suggest you should be *more* entrenched in faith if you are leaving a church over that as opposed to completely abandon the Church and Christ over it.
The conversation is not about abortion, is about the woman’s right to choose. Men are not forced to choose anything, they just do what they want. Why a bunch of decrepit idiots can decide what a woman should do with her body? Why the state has to have a word about women’s health? Who gives them the right to decide what women should do and deny them the freedom to decide?
That is the conversation, not abortion itself. Women will have abortions anyway, if that is what they want and they will die for it. But why die and not get health care? There is no room for religion here, is about the state law. State and religion are separate, we do not live in middle ages anymore… at least we pretend we don’t.
You are speaking on this from a completely different frame than what I’m talking about.
If the unborn have a right to life, your whole screed has no merit. If you can’t accept that point, it is meaningless to continue a conversation on that topic.
No, she left because of the politics by her own statements.
If she wanted to find Christians that didn’t put Trump on a pedestal, she could have found them. But the fact that those Trump Christians existed led her to *leave the faith* is leaving over politics.
She lived the community not the faith. You are not faith, you are a bunch of bigots, brainwashed to like a convicted felon. You are wrong, she was right to leave that community, it was toxic for a person with a brain.
I can see her leaving and finding another congregation because she did not feel equipped to properly preach the gospel there. But she left church completely because people liked Trump too much.
Nowhere is it said “thou shalt not judge”. This is a gross error of Scripture that people use to deflect any rebuke of criticism from Christians. It is “judge not, lest ye be judged”. It is against hypocrisy, meaning if you are going to rebuke someone for something, make sure you aren’t doing the thing you are judging them over. Christians are called to judge and rebuke throughout Scripture.
I haven’t left the church or faith over politics, despite being in very politically antagonistic churches.
She is brainwashed and fanatic, no way to understand or learn anything else. No one can have an opinion, any other idea is wrong. She is not a Christian she is in a cult.
I had a woman in my Bible study group who said she believes that Trump is comparable to the Apostle Paul. I asked her if she was comparing him to Saul, who persecuted and was responsible for the murder of Jesus' Followers, or to the repentant Paul, who gave his life to preach the Word of Jesus. I said because trump is acting like Saul, who persecuted. She just sat there. I left and haven't gone back.
Very true. Be born, but don't have need and don't ask for anything. If you do, you are a drag on society. But, be sure to reproduce into oblivion even if it kills you.
Don’t know if you’ll ever see this but…thank you for having the moral conviction and fortitude to loudly speak out about what’s happening to our democracy. We may not agree on all things but we can agree on basic humanity, human rights, women’s rights, the constitution and how our country has devolved. I’m both ashamed and scared. THANK YOU FOR EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOUR POSTS THAT FIGHT THIS FASCISIM! Sincerely, thank you.
We must face the reality that Christians put a criminal in the white house because of their profound hatred and stupidity. 100% NOT reflecting the teachings of Christ.
When mother nature knows the pregnancy is not viable to come to full term gestation and a natural miscarriage occurs at home. It will not only be heartbreaking but horrifying for the risk of seriously being accused or assumed to have caused the expelling or aborted the baby. That's a horrible stress to be under.
I too got polio as a young child, one leg is a bit shorter than the other so for me it was mild but others died or worse went onto iron lungs. I hear it is the gift that keeps on giving and may return as I age. It is not pro life to disparage what we know works ie vaccines or polio, measles the list goes on and on and on. Mr Kennedy and his ilk are fools and killers. Vote as if your life depends on it because it does.
I stopped listening after a couple false statements.
The measles outbreak in Texas was within a Mennonite community. They have never been pro-vaccine. It’s not part of their belief system. This is not new and has nothing to do with Kennedy.
We did not deport those young children who were American citizens. We deported their mother. She chose to take them with her. They could have stayed with another relative if that’s what she wanted. And when those kids are older, they can come back. Deportation is a potential consequence of illegal immigration. That’s the chance the mother took.
I want them to not be pulling immigrants off the streets and giving them the hearings before an immigration judge they're entitled to.
I want them to stop targeting people who were working within the system and instead going after the terrible criminals they claim exist.
And I want you GD hypocrites to stop calling yourselves Christian and pro life, and just admit your scared little twerps who like seeing brown people suffer.
Who did that mother kill or rape or steal from or rough up? I thought the deportation of immigrants was to focus on the worst criminals and the gangs. I'm sure she wasn't a car-stealing gang member. ICE is taking 'easy pickings' and these immigrants contribute to our economy. I'm disgusted with the tyranny, autocracy and inhumanity of this administration. How did we get here?
It is also about not paying for medical care. The health insurance is an abomination all over the country. They pick and choose what they want, denying important parts and debating what they pay. The whole system should cancel private insurances completely and make it state managed. Like that every state would be responsible and create their own specific type of health care. But the insurances don’t want to loose the bone, it’s a lot of money they take from the federal government from which they keep the lion share. They have a strong lobby in Washington and are major contributors in elections. They are very wealthy at the expense of people’s health.
SO powerful! Thank you for blasting. The Christian nationalist movement. And of course, I use the word Christian loosely it’s file, despicable, and in no way Christian.
You are seriously misinformed about vaccines, which is understandable considering what we have been taught. However, I encourage you to look to follow Children’s Health Defense and read all the books that they suggest. Also read books by RFK Junior, like his book about Anthony Fauci. We have been brainwashed by the military industrial pharmaceutical complex. Please do your research on both sides of this issue. Also, Matthew Ehret and Cynthia Ching have excellent books and substacks that I would refer you to.
RFK, Jr. is vaccinated himself, as are his children. Process that as per the Goose and Gander Principle.
Books of blather will not save children from sickening and dying from the anti-life Hell-born policies of this regime.
Tour a pediatric ICU to SEE and HEAR the suffering of sick children, and witness the agony of guilt that their parents suffer after seeing the results of depriving them the readily available preventative care.
Germs Do Not Care what a person’s political or religious beliefs are. Innocents suffer needlessly, when parents are deluded enough not to take proper care of them.
Did you seriously just lecture someone who HAD POLIO about vaccines?
If you want to skip vaccines, go ahead. Just make sure your doctor and insurance company know you will be not needing any medical care from them because you did your own research.
I know someone who was vaccinated for measles, twice with the two shot MMR protocol. She later caught the measles three times, once as a teenager. Why? Because her immune system cannot form antibodies to the measles virus. She's the same way when it comes to chickenpox, which she's had 15 times.
She depends on everyone else to get a measles vaccine so the disease doesn't spread through our communities. She's now in her fifties, with no immunity, and she is terrified of catching measles every time so goes out of the house. Why does that matter?
Because uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory nutjobs like you are working to threaten her life.
For the love of God, go learn some science before you help the likes of Kennedy (a guy who vaccinates his own children) succeeds in killing us all.
The Children’s “Health” Defense fund is either seriously misinformed or a completely corrupt scam, depending on how generous one feels. Now that children are dying of measles I’m not feeling generous at ALL. YOU and anyone who believe that nonsense has been brainwashed. We have 50 years of safe vaccine administration to 10s of millions of children and adults. What ISNT safe is measles mump rubella polio whooping cough diphtheria tetanus and more. We have thousands of years of proof of THAT. Even today a mother might doubt herself and hesitate to get her child vaccinated because she read your foolishness. If that happens and her child becomes gravely ill- THATS ON YOU!
I agree. I am vaccinated and so are my kids. People used to die of things that took decades of research & work to eradicate. Why would we abandon all that work now? Immigrants and travelers are coming here unvaccinated and spreading or catching diseases. This should be a no-brainer.
My coworker had polio. She did not get vaccinated. She was seriously crippled from long term paralysis. She resented her parents for not getting her vaccinated.
Marvelously said! I am blown away. I am pro-choice, pro gay and trans.
And I have stopped going to Church in the past two years.
Debating with my Sisters in the Church became too hard when I became aware that they are 90% Trumpers. The day one Elder likened Trump to Jesus, I walked out.
Wow. That should be the last straw for anyone who thinks they are human, never mind the blasphemy!
I hope you were not the only one to walk out.
Just me. If others had walked out with me I would probably still attending.
Wow. It’s painful that no one walked out with you! What a despicable preacher and community of people. Just sickening
sounds like your real religion was something else if you left the Church over politics.
She left because he likened Trump to Christ. Exactly what about Trump is Christ like?
It made me physically sick… that they could say something like that.
I bet.. what about the idol thing cuz that sounds a lot like idol worship to me. He causes such discord and and makes hateful peace and violence a daily occurrence. How is that okay with so many people?
Am I missing something? I read her comment and saw she left the church. I don't think I saw anything about her leaving her faith. You can still have a relationship with God without being boxed into a building with a bunch of hypocrites that never truly follow the Bible. I think it's brave to leave if the church is more interested in following a political affiliation rather than WWJD.
Nothing described there was a church that was following politics instead of WWJD. It was describing how she thought Trumpers were insufferable and didn’t like it when an elder made a comparison with Christ and Trump.
No discussion of hypocrites or non-biblical Christians in the congregation. Unless you are telling me there is no way someone can support Trump and be a Christian, which is a pretty lame position to make.
I didn’t hear the sermon. But I’d start with we are all made in the image of God. There are probably plenty of ways to find Christlike characteristics in people.
I’ll assume she exhausted her options of challenging leadership and discussing her problems with that kind of language. She *left the church* over politics. She was serving two masters, the one she loved is the one she still serves.
She is serving the real God. The pastor was serving Trump. Shame on you.
Abandoning the church is not serving God. Seeking a church community after recognizing the one you were in wasn’t biblical is something else, but that isn’t what is being described here.
She said nothing of a pastor.
If you are a true believer, god is everywhere, not in church. The church is a political institution, the most influential and oldest of all. Very few priests or pastors are really spiritual and not mercantiles. When they talk about politics in church it is clear that their mission is gone.
Trump uses religion to attract exactly those gullible people who think he is a religious man. He is not. Christianity is not about accumulating wealth and imposing your point of view to millions, by lying, and cheating.
To be Christian means to care about the people around you, all of them not just the white ones, to be respectful to their beliefs, generous, understanding, tolerant and charitable.
What this regime is doing is the opposite of Christianity but they claim to be religious, they wear crosses!
A true believer would find fellowship with other Christians. It is called a church.
Saying that her congregation weren’t real Christian’s is saying they are going to hell.
The church absolutely should talk about politics. Modern secularism is garbage propagated by non-Christians to put Christians in a box.
I don’t care about Trumps Christianity here. I’m caring about people abandoning the church because they can’t have communion with other Christians.
Is Christ your lord?
They abandon the church because of people like you. Things are not black or white, there are many nuances in-between. We live in 21st century, we cannot have the same ideas and live by what they did 2 thousand years ago. When the people in a community become bigots, it’s time to live it. Trump and his regime are not what Christianity should look like and neither are you. Indoctrinating people is not the Christ’s way.
The Bible warns of church leaders indoctrinating their followers to believe anything other than the teachings of Christ. Thank God the poster read the scriptures for greater understanding and sought God for discernment before leaving your false church.
It wasn’t my church
By their fruits you shall know them.
They still gather and believers and break bread. What are the people going off on their own because they can’t stand being around Christians that don’t reflect their own politics?
You quoted the Word, "By their fruits you shall know them." The Word is full of scriptures warning us about FALSE prophets/teachers/leaders. We are not to follow them. We are told to remove them from our midst. Since she is not the leader of that church, then she was right to remove herself. It is not about politics, it is about the Way, the Truth, and the Life. 1 Corinthians 5:13, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Matthew 18:15-17, 2 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 16:17, Titus 3:10, 1 Corinthians 5:11, 1 Timothy 6:5, Matthew 7:6, Ephesians 5:11, 2 Thessalonians 3:6
I disagree because it isn’t about politics. God doesn’t operate by politics but by morality, humanity, grace and God’s laws. None of the qualities listed are displayed by any member of this administration or GOP.
However, people who have true relationships with God feel the conviction of God to remove themselves from the midst of those choosing to impart false doctrine instead of the teachings of Christ. I don’t believe that any church is better than no church. Church is where you go to have your soul fed with the word of God, learn of the direct guidance within the word as we strive to be more like Jesus. You cannot do that if you denounce His teachings.
Final thoughts: Would you rather be raptured from the “wayward” Trump praising /Jesus-denouncing church or from “Bedside Baptist” while praising, praying, reading God’s word while in true devotion with God and seeking a new church home? What do you think God would have you do?🤔
You must be a member of the Church of Trump saying words like that.
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Church is politics always has been just another way to control people, fools can’t think for yourselves.
I'm certain you are thinking for yourself. All of your thoughts and ideas are pure novelties and no way came from authorities you respected and trusted.
My religion was always a devout follower of Christ. Attended Church 3x/week until covid.
I just have a hard time believing it was so strong if a sermon on Trump made you burn your entire relationship with Christ. Surely there must have been other things going on.
For if it was truly just about Trump that made you leave the Church, what was the Church to you? A book club where you kept up with the neighbors and felt good about it?
Why are you judging her relationship to God? Trump makes fun of prisoners of war, takes from the needy to give to the rich, had his disciples storm the capitol, doesn’t pay his workers because they’re illegals so he doesn’t have to, makes fun of
peoples with disabilities. I would have left too. Not counting the adultery and you would sit in a church and go along with the preacher/ minister putting him on a pedestal like an idol? Seems to me the minister brought politics in to the church.
Because she left the faith over an inappropriate comparison to Trump. Not just a church she went to.
I’ve gone to left wing churches that haven’t lined up with my politics my whole life. I’ve only left when I either moved cities or I was told outright denial of scripture (rejecting Paul and Isaiah, for instance).
I’ve always been able to acknowledge the Church will have politics float around, and will tolerate it so long as they are Biblical churches. I honestly find it healthier to be in politically challenging congregations because it requires me to see fellow Christians in the faces of those I would hold animosity for in political circumstances.
Someone that leaving *the faith* because of that is even worse though. It is someone that cannot envision people having different politics than them to the point that they will abandon Christ over it. It doesn’t sound like someone that was following Christ; it sounds like someone that was worshipping their politics and couldn’t break bread with Christian’s that didn’t share their political religion.
Thank you for saying what was said was inappropriate. I believe in god but I haven’t believed in organized religion for a long time.
She left the church not her faith!
Are you saying the only way to have a relationship with Christ is by going to church? "entire relationship"? My God's back doesn't turn on anyone. She didn't say she stopped praying or believing - only that she stopped supporting a congregation that had fundamentally different beliefs than hers.
Abandoning the Church is abandoning the calling that is given to you as a Christian. The Church is Christs instrument on this earth and has been blessed with the Holy Spirit.
You may feel like a particular congregation has fallen away from the faith or has grossly erred where you don’t think you are capable of changing their ways, but abandoning the church altogether is abandoning the Bride of Christ.
You are fanatic religious, not a Christian. People can worship anywhere, and still be Christians, no need for a building or a community of bigots. Some people think more than others, it is called humanistic education and it does not stop with religion.
What part of likening Trump to Christ is Christian?
What part of likening Trump to Christ is reality based?
It's hard to believe that this alleged comment exists solely in the lady's imagination. There's no need to stress about liking Trump or Jesus Christ, as neither of them truly embodies what it means to be a politician.
She left THAT church not God or her beliefs. Big difference.
The church is a building, believing in God has nothing to do with a church. Organized religion was meant to control people and deviated a lot from Christ’s teachings.
If you look at the churches from the 3rd century, Jesus was a pastor, a simple man leading his flock of believers.
After centuries, in 1453 when Agia Sofia was conquered by turks, it depicted Jesus as an emperor, a master to be obeyed, omnipotent.
Far away from the simple pastor leading sheep, because the church was equal with the king or emperor in state power,
thus, they had to represent it as such for the people to obey, to be afraid. The church was a state instrument to control,
a political power at the hands of a few.
Read history, look at art history books and listen to historians, to understand what religion became in time.
Spirituality is something else, it is private, personal, and cannot be controlled by anyone. To live a decent, spiritual life, has no relationship with being religious. It is a choice according to each one’s understanding and education.
The church is the community of believers.
Giving me lectures about the evils of the church straight out of 17th century Protestant propaganda is hardly convincing me that you should abandon the church.
Spirituality is not Christianity. “A choice according to each one’s understanding and education” sounds like gnostic heresy to me. You are to be a slave to Christ, if not, you will be a slave to sin.
Christianity is Spirituality. There is no slavery in Christianity, there is no bigotry, nor the idea that if you do not go to church you are a sinner. God is everywhere, no need to meet a group of bigots to find him or believe in him. I am not protestant, catholic or any other cult related. I believe that people must chose how they worship, where, and what, with no restrictions nor obligations.
Christianity is Truth. We find that truth in Scripture and the Church. I haven’t heard any argument you have made being based in either. It is effectively the words of a false teacher. Or did you get gnostic revelation from God that none of this religion or church stuff matters?
I’m quoting Paul in Scripture when I say we are slaves to Christ when he freed us from sin. I also never suggested that going to church doesn’t make you a sinner. I’m saying that a Christian should not divorce themselves from the Church, it is Christ’s Bride in this world to do His works.
You keep projecting “bigotry” onto people to justify hating them. You might want to check yourself on it.
The bible is a metaphor and people taking it literally do not understand it. It is not possible to take literally a text written in another language, dead today, and not interpret it to fit the people’s understanding. That is what a priest does, explain it to believers, and that’s another translation. I do not argue about scriptures nor church, they are both part of culture and they have their place, with a purpose.
But when that purpose has expired and becomes an instrument for indoctrination there is no reason to follow. If people cannot think for themselves and are forced to follow blindly, anything, there is a cult, not what Christianity suppose to be.
Certainly not what Jesus teachings were about, that was the truth, nothing else.
What you do today is an interpretation, a very poor one.
This Simon Sez fellow replies to me six times, then blocks me.
If you didn’t want to talk to me, you could have just said nothing. But after repeating lies and disparaging my faith, you then close your ears to me. Really telling about the kind of person you are.
https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-14.htm
Fair enough lol
Not poltics..blasphemy. No human has ever been nor will ever be as wise or clean of mind and spirit as the ascended master Christ Jesus. The abortion issue is misused and over used to divide us. I know the Bible verse used to defend pro-life. No human can live up to God's original image of humanity. Hence, the need for a savior. What we do not need is more human suffering inflicted in His name. Pro choice does not mean you advocate for abortion. It simply means you don't judge or punish unless it is proven to be an act of malice intent. For the most part abortion is a desperate act; much like addiction and suicide. Humans are a long suffering species. More so, as we often turn our backs on the vulnerable. Shame on us.
I wasn’t talking about abortion, but aight.
I don’t want to get in the weeds about it, but murder out of desperation still means you committed murder. Being pro-choice is still pro-abortion.
There is room for being pro-choice and still regarding abortion as evil. But that room involved radical libertarian pacifism where you believe that the state should not enforce any laws.
As far as blasphemy to compare Trump to Christ, maybe. I wouldn’t go that far to regard any Christlike comparisons as an unforgivable blasphemous act, but maybe I don’t know what the full comparison was.
That said, it would suggest you should be *more* entrenched in faith if you are leaving a church over that as opposed to completely abandon the Church and Christ over it.
The conversation is not about abortion, is about the woman’s right to choose. Men are not forced to choose anything, they just do what they want. Why a bunch of decrepit idiots can decide what a woman should do with her body? Why the state has to have a word about women’s health? Who gives them the right to decide what women should do and deny them the freedom to decide?
That is the conversation, not abortion itself. Women will have abortions anyway, if that is what they want and they will die for it. But why die and not get health care? There is no room for religion here, is about the state law. State and religion are separate, we do not live in middle ages anymore… at least we pretend we don’t.
You are speaking on this from a completely different frame than what I’m talking about.
If the unborn have a right to life, your whole screed has no merit. If you can’t accept that point, it is meaningless to continue a conversation on that topic.
No, she left because of the politics by her own statements.
If she wanted to find Christians that didn’t put Trump on a pedestal, she could have found them. But the fact that those Trump Christians existed led her to *leave the faith* is leaving over politics.
She lived the community not the faith. You are not faith, you are a bunch of bigots, brainwashed to like a convicted felon. You are wrong, she was right to leave that community, it was toxic for a person with a brain.
I can see her leaving and finding another congregation because she did not feel equipped to properly preach the gospel there. But she left church completely because people liked Trump too much.
A very good reason. People who love too much a convicted felon, liar, and fake in anything he does, are not deserving a second look.
What am I mistaken about? It is pretty evident by the words used to describe what was happening.
Her descriptions of her faith are past tense.
Nowhere is it said “thou shalt not judge”. This is a gross error of Scripture that people use to deflect any rebuke of criticism from Christians. It is “judge not, lest ye be judged”. It is against hypocrisy, meaning if you are going to rebuke someone for something, make sure you aren’t doing the thing you are judging them over. Christians are called to judge and rebuke throughout Scripture.
I haven’t left the church or faith over politics, despite being in very politically antagonistic churches.
She is brainwashed and fanatic, no way to understand or learn anything else. No one can have an opinion, any other idea is wrong. She is not a Christian she is in a cult.
Friend, quoting Scripture at me incorrectly to rebuke me about rebuking is going to get a response.
Thank you for reading. At the time I was so incensed that it didn't cross my mind that others should have followed suit.
I just had to get out; I felt dirty.
God and I have talked about the situation several times. I am sure I did the right thing.
God Bless You.
I had a woman in my Bible study group who said she believes that Trump is comparable to the Apostle Paul. I asked her if she was comparing him to Saul, who persecuted and was responsible for the murder of Jesus' Followers, or to the repentant Paul, who gave his life to preach the Word of Jesus. I said because trump is acting like Saul, who persecuted. She just sat there. I left and haven't gone back.
On one hand its hard; but otherwise it is a feeling no regrets.
I miss going to Church and also the communion. I miss my friends; sisters, supposedly.
But last summer my BFF from Church called to check on me.
She actually told me why they all think so highly of Diaper Don.
“Well, honey, Joe Biden was an evil man. He stood up for gender surgeries for little kids!
We just can't have a prez who is protecting gay and trans kids!”
I began to roll off all of Don’s sins.
When I finished all she said was “We’re all just human.”
EEEEKKKK
90 % pro Trump, wow those liberal polls are way off i quess.
Keep in mind this was 2 years ago. He was out of office by then, which I felt made it worse.
Oh, and I didn't mention this before, but they actually referred to Trump as “our dear leader” and then likend him to Jesus.
You did the right thing, they are in a cult not Christians.
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Congratulations, pat yourself on the back, for being another brainwashed fool!
The Episcopal Church welcomes you.
Well, Yesuha is an ET
I don’t agree with your reasoning but you have a right to your opinion.
Because I attended Church since I was 2 days old. I am a believer. A true believer!
IN A true and living God.
If I'm right I will have a heavenly home one day.
If I'm wrong, I'll just be dead.
If you're wrong, where will you be?
Pro life is just is a scam the extreme religious white nationalist movement created to bring back Old Testament patriarchal control.
Don’t forget, it’s not pro-life, it’s pro-birth. Once that child is born, our society does nothing to support the family or that child.
Very true. Be born, but don't have need and don't ask for anything. If you do, you are a drag on society. But, be sure to reproduce into oblivion even if it kills you.
I always say pro-life until birth.
Yes and not one of them follows the New Testament that they claim in Jesus. Satan enablers.
The forced birth movement is part and parcel of the backlash against women’s independence.
Exactly!
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What don’t you understand???
Ahhh .. Good one. I’d never heard that before. Yes pro birth and that’s as far as it goes.
🙏😪👎😡🤷♀️. Please get children vaccinated. It works.
And it is safe. Which polio and measles are not.
✅ CORRECTION NEEDED: You said you contracted polio in 1952 when coming back from a missionary with your parents in 1954.
Otherwise, bravo! 🇺🇸
I agree. My generation is one of the first to be vaccinated in school. We were fortunate to be born after polio and measles vaccines were available.
Don’t know if you’ll ever see this but…thank you for having the moral conviction and fortitude to loudly speak out about what’s happening to our democracy. We may not agree on all things but we can agree on basic humanity, human rights, women’s rights, the constitution and how our country has devolved. I’m both ashamed and scared. THANK YOU FOR EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOUR POSTS THAT FIGHT THIS FASCISIM! Sincerely, thank you.
We must face the reality that Christians put a criminal in the white house because of their profound hatred and stupidity. 100% NOT reflecting the teachings of Christ.
That is exactly what I say. They have lost completely the teachings of Christ. They are in a cult not Christians.
When mother nature knows the pregnancy is not viable to come to full term gestation and a natural miscarriage occurs at home. It will not only be heartbreaking but horrifying for the risk of seriously being accused or assumed to have caused the expelling or aborted the baby. That's a horrible stress to be under.
Should be common sense that health care must be available. How stupid can one be to think otherwise?
I too got polio as a young child, one leg is a bit shorter than the other so for me it was mild but others died or worse went onto iron lungs. I hear it is the gift that keeps on giving and may return as I age. It is not pro life to disparage what we know works ie vaccines or polio, measles the list goes on and on and on. Mr Kennedy and his ilk are fools and killers. Vote as if your life depends on it because it does.
Thank you, Frank 😢
I stopped listening after a couple false statements.
The measles outbreak in Texas was within a Mennonite community. They have never been pro-vaccine. It’s not part of their belief system. This is not new and has nothing to do with Kennedy.
We did not deport those young children who were American citizens. We deported their mother. She chose to take them with her. They could have stayed with another relative if that’s what she wanted. And when those kids are older, they can come back. Deportation is a potential consequence of illegal immigration. That’s the chance the mother took.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/25/us-citizen-deportation-donald-trump-00311631
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/measles-case-counts-grow-in-texas-new-mexico-outbreak
Any other lies I can clear up for you?
Bobby Brainworm has been pushing antivaxx propaganda for YEARS -- long before he ended up in bed with Trump.
His group pushed disinformation about vaccines in Samoa and 83 Samoans died from measles.
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-kennedy-vaccines-pacific-42a9cb583c71f165699b16710884c474
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense
You didn't ask about his current position. You asked why he was responsible for low vaccination rates BEFORE he became Secretary of HHS.
I realize facts are foreign to you but do try and remember your own comments.
I want them to not be pulling immigrants off the streets and giving them the hearings before an immigration judge they're entitled to.
I want them to stop targeting people who were working within the system and instead going after the terrible criminals they claim exist.
And I want you GD hypocrites to stop calling yourselves Christian and pro life, and just admit your scared little twerps who like seeing brown people suffer.
Who did that mother kill or rape or steal from or rough up? I thought the deportation of immigrants was to focus on the worst criminals and the gangs. I'm sure she wasn't a car-stealing gang member. ICE is taking 'easy pickings' and these immigrants contribute to our economy. I'm disgusted with the tyranny, autocracy and inhumanity of this administration. How did we get here?
Because if she was they would have bragged about it.
But catching criminals is hard work and this administration is lazy fuckups.
What part of American citizen escaped you?
Show me the order deporting the mom.
Powerful and important message. “Is that Pro-life enough for you?” A powerful question. Thank you for your compassion.
I had an abortion and it was NOBODIES BUSINESS except mine
Who freaking asked you?
I did it because it was. The right thing for me
It’s my life
Mind your own life and stay out of mine
It was never about the children, it was always about controlling women.
It is also about not paying for medical care. The health insurance is an abomination all over the country. They pick and choose what they want, denying important parts and debating what they pay. The whole system should cancel private insurances completely and make it state managed. Like that every state would be responsible and create their own specific type of health care. But the insurances don’t want to loose the bone, it’s a lot of money they take from the federal government from which they keep the lion share. They have a strong lobby in Washington and are major contributors in elections. They are very wealthy at the expense of people’s health.
This is not an intelligent administration!
Oh, I think some of them, here and there, are smart enough, but their brains only work to promote themselves and the consequences be damned.
Oops, me again I screwed up. The problem is they use th
This is a gang of thugs and bimbos, a fascist regime, not an administration. They lie every day and work for themselves, not the country.
Can we change the phrase ‘pro-life’ to ‘anti choice‘ once and for all?
SO powerful! Thank you for blasting. The Christian nationalist movement. And of course, I use the word Christian loosely it’s file, despicable, and in no way Christian.
Dear Mr. Schaeffer,
You are seriously misinformed about vaccines, which is understandable considering what we have been taught. However, I encourage you to look to follow Children’s Health Defense and read all the books that they suggest. Also read books by RFK Junior, like his book about Anthony Fauci. We have been brainwashed by the military industrial pharmaceutical complex. Please do your research on both sides of this issue. Also, Matthew Ehret and Cynthia Ching have excellent books and substacks that I would refer you to.
RFK, Jr. is vaccinated himself, as are his children. Process that as per the Goose and Gander Principle.
Books of blather will not save children from sickening and dying from the anti-life Hell-born policies of this regime.
Tour a pediatric ICU to SEE and HEAR the suffering of sick children, and witness the agony of guilt that their parents suffer after seeing the results of depriving them the readily available preventative care.
Germs Do Not Care what a person’s political or religious beliefs are. Innocents suffer needlessly, when parents are deluded enough not to take proper care of them.
Did you seriously just lecture someone who HAD POLIO about vaccines?
If you want to skip vaccines, go ahead. Just make sure your doctor and insurance company know you will be not needing any medical care from them because you did your own research.
Whatever you do don’t read a biology textbook. Conspiracies are reservoirs for delusion, not truth. 😂🥴🫡
I know someone who was vaccinated for measles, twice with the two shot MMR protocol. She later caught the measles three times, once as a teenager. Why? Because her immune system cannot form antibodies to the measles virus. She's the same way when it comes to chickenpox, which she's had 15 times.
She depends on everyone else to get a measles vaccine so the disease doesn't spread through our communities. She's now in her fifties, with no immunity, and she is terrified of catching measles every time so goes out of the house. Why does that matter?
Because uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory nutjobs like you are working to threaten her life.
For the love of God, go learn some science before you help the likes of Kennedy (a guy who vaccinates his own children) succeeds in killing us all.
The Children’s “Health” Defense fund is either seriously misinformed or a completely corrupt scam, depending on how generous one feels. Now that children are dying of measles I’m not feeling generous at ALL. YOU and anyone who believe that nonsense has been brainwashed. We have 50 years of safe vaccine administration to 10s of millions of children and adults. What ISNT safe is measles mump rubella polio whooping cough diphtheria tetanus and more. We have thousands of years of proof of THAT. Even today a mother might doubt herself and hesitate to get her child vaccinated because she read your foolishness. If that happens and her child becomes gravely ill- THATS ON YOU!
I agree. I am vaccinated and so are my kids. People used to die of things that took decades of research & work to eradicate. Why would we abandon all that work now? Immigrants and travelers are coming here unvaccinated and spreading or catching diseases. This should be a no-brainer.
Children’s Health Defense exists to spread damaging disinformation. It has no credibility within the legitimate medical community.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense
Instead of reading fictional material, try reading journals. While much of the research articles are pay walled, you can still read the abstracts.
I'm sorry. YOU'RE AN IDDIOT! I BET YOUR PARRNTS GOT YOU VACINATRD!!! IT'S PEOPKE LIKE YOU WHO SPREAD OUT AND LIES!!!
Hahahahahaha! STFU Karen.
You are a very sad, brainwashed minion of the distorted MAGA cult.
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My coworker had polio. She did not get vaccinated. She was seriously crippled from long term paralysis. She resented her parents for not getting her vaccinated.
While I agree with your message, your vulgarity directed at women's body parts is wildly offensive.